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post Dec 12, 2011, 07:29 AM
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curious about your thoughts about whether Ron Paul could realistically beat Obama in 2012.
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QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ Dec 12, 2011, 09:29 AM) *

curious about your thoughts about whether Ron Paul could realistically beat Obama in 2012.


I've been a huge Ron Paul supporter for years now, but I doubt his potential to win. If he wins the nomination, then he can beat Obama.

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QUOTE(KoolK3n @ Dec 12, 2011, 10:43 AM) *

QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ Dec 12, 2011, 09:29 AM) *

curious about your thoughts about whether Ron Paul could realistically beat Obama in 2012.


I've been a huge Ron Paul supporter for years now, but I doubt his potential to win. If he wins the nomination, then he can beat Obama.

Thoughts on National Defense Authorization Act just passed?


Would be nice to have a libertarian party!
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post Dec 12, 2011, 08:40 AM
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I like Paul the best so far out of the Republican camp- have not been overly impressed thus far with Gingrich or Romney.
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QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ Dec 12, 2011, 10:40 AM) *

I like Paul the best so far out of the Republican camp- have not been overly impressed thus far with Gingrich or Romney.


If he doesn't win the election...game over for everyone..
There isn't much time left..
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post Dec 12, 2011, 09:41 AM
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I doubt anyone really has potential to beat Obama. Politics are a joke. The president is just a fall man, so it doesn't matter much anyhow.
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post Dec 12, 2011, 09:43 AM
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a joke is right!
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post Dec 12, 2011, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(Flex @ Dec 12, 2011, 11:41 AM) *

I doubt anyone really has potential to beat Obama. Politics are a joke. The president is just a fall man, so it doesn't matter much anyhow.


Politics are filled with jokesters. It is only a matter of influencing them to benefit yourself.
Give them the position and the favor will be returned. I disagree with the president being the fall man, he/she still has a lot of power and influence in the country swaying populations to vote for a particular party which in turn will have the legislative power on his side.

I think Ron Paul as president has brought many interesting issues to the table. He is considered a radical, and that is what we may need in a time like this.

In a sense it is a joke, and the people running it are a joke. The American population is a joke. The state of the world is a joke. I will undue that joke.
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post Dec 12, 2011, 10:38 AM
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seems that we can't trust our politicians. they appear to say whatever it is they think will get them elected and then once in office, its business as usual. until of course, the next re-election campaign and we get a whole new round of seemingly empty political rhetoric. no wonder much of the public has become so apathetic to the political process.
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post Dec 12, 2011, 10:58 AM
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I am personally in favor of the philosopher king model smile.gif As horrible as it sounds, I don't believe in Democracy. Not with 7 billion people on Earth. I think we may need to figure something new out.
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post Dec 12, 2011, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(Flex @ Dec 12, 2011, 12:58 PM) *

I am personally in favor of the philosopher king model smile.gif As horrible as it sounds, I don't believe in Democracy. Not with 7 billion people on Earth. I think we may need to figure something new out.


Democracy can be messy, but it is priceless...

"Men must be free to do what they believe. It is not our right to punish one for thinking what they do, no matter how much we disagree!" - AltaÔr Ibn-La'Ahad

We've been using representative democracy (republic) which has many flaws that can be seen in our own country. Reform the type of democracy along with the elimination of capitalism and another world is possible. One with more self-management, equity, solidarity, and diversity as opposed to competition, individual ownership, and coercion.

From a book I read a while ago,

Representative democracy has several serious defects.

"First, it treats politics as strictly instrumental-that is, as a means to an end, instead of a value in its own right. But political participation is intrinsically worthwhile: it gives people the experience of controlling their own lives. The more that the task of thinking about how we can collectively manage our lives is delegated to others, the less knowledgeable we become regarding society, the less we determine our own destinies, and the weakeer our ties of solidarity to our fellow citizens.

A second problem with representative democracy is that representatives for many reasons don't in fact represent their constituents. Representatives say one thing to get elected and then change their positions once in office. They have no real connection to the hundreds of thousands of people they represent. Their different life circumstances lead them to develop different interests from those of their constituents.

Now it's true that we could mandate representatives to keep their campaign promises. But what happens when the circumstances changes? Do we want representatives to be required to carry out policies that new developments have made inappropriate or even harmful? Alternatively, we could mandate all representatives to follow the evolving wishes of their constituents as reflected in public opinion polls. But if we do this, then the representatives are rendered technically irrelevant. There is no need for representatives to study or debate the issues because it doesn't matter what they think. All that matters is that they vote accordingly to their constituents' stated wishes. In short, mandated representatives could simply be replaced by a computer that compiles the opinions of the people and then votes accordingly. But this is really nothing more than a system of referendum democracy (which also fails). So if representatives are mandated, they are irrelevant, and if they are not mandated then they will often not be truly representatives of their constituents.

Advocates of representatives democracy do make some legitimate arguments, however. They claim that it would take too much time for everyone to decide anything. I think this point is often exaggerated-people's tolerance for meetings, for example, cannot be judged by their meaningless meetings today where they have no real power-nevertheless, it is true that not everyone has or ever will have the same enthusiasm for politics as do political activists. We don't want a poltical system that requires everyone to value political participation as much as full-time politicos do today. But though we'll want a lesser degree of participation than that favored by political fanatics, this is not an argument against institutionalizing substantially more political participation than is experienced by most citizens of capitalist democracies. A second argument on behalf of representative democracy is that representative legislatures are deliberative bodies that debate and negotiate complex resolutions that fairly capture the essence of an issue, whereas the citizenry as a whole would be incapable of such fine tuning. They have to vote a ballot question up or down; they can't reword or amend, even though we know that the precise wording of a ballot question can often skew the results. This is a valid point, one which any alternative to representative democracy needs to take into account of."
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post Dec 12, 2011, 11:31 AM
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I am of the philosopher king persuasion myself. Not sure if democracy really is the best means to elect a truly competent leader.
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post Dec 12, 2011, 01:19 PM
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I honestly believe people are better off being told what is what for the most part. Left to their own devices, the average American will be holding an election between Wal-Mart and the Double Double from In-N-Out. Most people can barely live their own lives, much less make intelligent decisions on how a system comprised of 7 billion lives should be maintained and operated.

I sure as hell know I am not informed enough to make reasonable decisions. I would much rather a group of 100 experts maybe 10 representatives each from 10 diverse fields of study, along with another 50 philosophers and 150 historians make my global policy decisions than millions of people who for the most part barely made it to community college.

300 people from diverse knowledge backgrounds, who are not getting paid shit and know they never will, would probably do a pretty descent job of running 300 million people.

If the only people practicing politics are politicians, we are screwed... Were Enki still around, it would certainly be pointed out that the prefix poly means many and tics are blood sucking parasites. That is basically our system--a bunch of selfish blood thirsty a-holes running around with far more devastating self promotion campaigns that say those that I impose on all of you smile.gif
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post Dec 12, 2011, 01:24 PM
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If we are really honest here, no one is going to beat Obama in this election. This election is just a stage to begin getting ready for the real election in which there is no incumbent.
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post Dec 12, 2011, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(Flex @ Dec 12, 2011, 03:19 PM) *

I honestly believe people are better off being told what is what for the most part. Left to their own devices, the average American will be holding an election between Wal-Mart and the Double Double from In-N-Out. Most people can barely live their own lives, much less make intelligent decisions on how a system comprised of 7 billion lives should be maintained and operated.

I sure as hell know I am not informed enough to make reasonable decisions. I would much rather a group of 100 experts maybe 10 representatives each from 10 diverse fields of study, along with another 50 philosophers and 150 historians make my global policy decisions than millions of people who for the most part barely made it to community college.

300 people from diverse knowledge backgrounds, who are not getting paid shit and know they never will, would probably do a pretty descent job of running 300 million people.

If the only people practicing politics are politicians, we are screwed... Were Enki still around, it would certainly be pointed out that the prefix poly means many and tics are blood sucking parasites. That is basically our system--a bunch of selfish blood thirsty a-holes running around with far more devastating self promotion campaigns that say those that I impose on all of you smile.gif


Then lets look at the causes of stupidity. Is religion a cause? Yes! Is capitalism defining our mindless culture a cause? Yes! Is our government running our domestic and international policies a cause? Yes! Is genetics and diet a cause? Yes!

If we can overcome and collectively tackle these issues, the average intelligence of the population will rise. The only problem is the motivation for action. For example, many people are aware of the problems with global warming, unhealthy foods, and shitty economy and wish it would all get better (due in large part to the Internet). More action needs to occur. Occupy My Ass hasn't done anything, we need to ramp up our efforts in all departments of our lives to make the change desirable happen. How far would you go to reach that goal?

I fully support Ron Paul but that doesn't mean I put all my eggs in one basket. Better to have him than anyone else regardless of their true power, wouldn't you agree? I don't expect him to fix all our problems, that is up to us. He will TRY and delay the US from crumbling any further. With the sad truth though, mega-corporations will be a huge determining factor for the rest of our lives and will grow if Ron Paul is elected president.

I am absolutely heartbroken with the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act, which essentially voids our bill of rights.
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post Dec 13, 2011, 10:18 AM
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Can you give us a synopsis of the Defense Act?
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post Dec 13, 2011, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ Dec 13, 2011, 12:18 PM) *

Can you give us a synopsis of the Defense Act?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxWvz-6KWyY
Very scary if you ask me.
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post Dec 13, 2011, 12:33 PM
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Gentlemen, why I cannot post links ??????????????????????????

YouTube: Barack Obama - Yes Minister! & The sermon on the Mount.

youtu . be / 72zj8GQvhRk

Funny is not it ?
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post Dec 13, 2011, 05:56 PM
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Looks like Ron Paul has made significant headway in Iowa.
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Looks like Ron Paul has made significant headway in Iowa.


Ya, Ihowa is an important indicator, but it is hard to figure out what really stands behind that strange game.
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post Dec 14, 2011, 06:33 AM
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Beginning to think Ron Paul could win. He appears to be the most electable GOP candidate.
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post Dec 22, 2011, 06:38 AM
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Will Ron Paul Kill the Caucuses?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70674.html

SIOUX CITY, IOWA –The alarms are sounding in Iowa.

Conservatives and Republican elites in the state are divided over who to support for the GOP nomination, but they almost uniformly express concern over the prospect that Ron Paul and his army of activist supporters may capture the state’s 2012 nominating contest — an outcome many fear would do irreparable harm to the future role of the first-in-the-nation caucuses.

In spin rooms, bar rooms and online forums, the what-to-do-about-Paul conversation has become pervasive as polls show him at or near the top here just weeks before the January 3rd vote.

Paul poses an existential threat to the state’s cherished kick-off status, say these Republicans, because he has little chance to win the GOP nomination and would offer the best evidence yet that the caucuses reward candidates who are unrepresentative of the broader party.

“It would make the caucuses mostly irrelevant if not entirely irrelevant,” said Becky Beach, a longtime Iowa Republican who helped Presidents Bush 41 and Bush 43 here. “It would have a very damaging effect because I don’t think he could be elected president and both Iowa and national Republicans wouldn’t think he represents the will of voters.”

What especially worries Iowa Republican regulars is the possibility that Paul could win here on January 3rd with the help of Democrats and independents who change their registration to support the libertarian-leaning Texas congressman but then don’t support the GOP nominee next November.

“I don’t think any candidate perverting the process in that fashion helps [the caucuses] in any way,” said Iowa House Speaker Kraig Paulsen, adding that he didn’t know if that’s necessarily how Paul would win.

While there’s no evidence of an organized effort, public polling shows that Paul’s lead is built in large part with the support of non-Republicans – and few party veterans think such voters would stick with the GOP in November.

“They’ll all go back and vote for Obama,” predicted Beach.

The most troubling eventuality that Iowa Republicans are bracing for is that Paul wins the caucuses only to lose the nomination and run as a third-party candidate in November — all but ensuring President Obama is re-elected.

“If we empower somebody who turns around and elects Obama, then that’s a major problem for the caucuses,” said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa).

Leading Republicans, looking to put the best possible frame on a Paul victory, are already testing out a message for what they’ll say if the 76-year-old Texas congressman is triumphant.

The short version: Ignore him.

“People are going to look at who comes in second and who comes in third,” said Gov. Terry Branstad. “If [Mitt] Romney comes in a strong second, it definitely helps him going into New Hampshire and the other states.”

The Paul rise comes at a moment when many Iowa GOP elites are already angst-ridden about their beloved quadrennial franchise. The fretting began four years ago when long-shot Mike Huckabee cruised to an easy caucus win, only to lose the nomination to John McCain, who finished fourth in Iowa after ignoring the state for much of 2007.

The concern has only grown in this election cycle. Romney has kept the state at arms-length for much of this year; Michele Bachmann won the Ames Straw Poll only to quickly recede to single-digits in state and national polls, raising questions about the future relevance of what is a fundraising bonanza for the state party.

Further, the decline in the number of candidate events here — and the prominent role debates and cable TV have played in this year’s election — have sparked difficult questions about whether Iowa’s retail-heavy traditions are a thing of the past.

Paul officials note that they’ve embraced the Iowa way. And even establishment Republicans like Branstad concede that the congressman has done it “the old-fashioned way” and enjoys the best organization of any of the candidates.

“Dr. Paul is hands down the most authentic, principled candidate in the race, and we have run the best, most comprehensive campaign,” said Paul campaign chairman Jesse Benton. “Iowans will help further cement their national status by choosing Dr. Paul and proving that sincerity, seriousness, consistency and hard grassroots campaigning wins in Iowa, not glitzy, media-anointed, establishment front-runners.”

But many Iowa Republicans, convinced that Paul’s views are well out of the party mainstream, believe that rewarding such an effort in the short-term would risk the very process itself in elections to come.

“My biggest fear is that the Republican Party nationally and a lot of states that want to be number one [in the nominating process] will simply point to his winning and say, ‘Iowa’s irrelevant,” said Andy Cable, GOP co-chair in Hardin County.

Jeff Lamberti, a Des Moines attorney and former Iowa Senate President, emphasized what he said was the difference between the 2008 and 2012 dark horses.

“Everybody has the perception that there’s absolutely no way [Paul] can win the nomination, whereas a Mike Huckabee coming out of nowhere at the end to pull out a victory here – he was a serious contender,” said Lamberti. “That’s the distinction that has the potential to do real damage to Iowa.”

With his left-of-Obama foreign policy views, libertarian outlook on social issues and paper trail of controversial statements, a Paul victory could represent a potentially devastating blow to the tradition of Republicans starting their White House campaigns in Iowa.

“Mortal,” said Doug Gross, a leading Republican lawyer and Branstad adviser, when asked how severe the wound of a Paul win would be.

“I think a Paul win would be devastating for the state of Iowa and the caucus process,” added Sam Clovis, an influential talk radio host in Northwest Iowa who endorsed Rick Santorum Monday.

Clovis and other Republicans expressed hope that Paul’s debate performance last week would wake up traditional activists, who’ve seen his conservative TV ads and aren’t aware of how far the libertarian is from the party base on some core issues. Paul’s isolationist foreign policy views came to the fore at the Sioux City forum.

“What has me concerned is that on Main Street Iowa people are coming up to me and saying, ‘What do you think about Dr. Paul?’” said Cable. “These are folks who have to be informed. They have to get past the 30 and 60 second ads. If you ask Iowans if they’re for legalizing marijuana or legalizing heroin, they’d say no. But Dr. Paul has said on many occasions that that’s ok. But people don’t all know that.”

So far, Paul has been largely ignored by his Republican rivals. But as he increasingly appears to be a serious contender here two weeks out, that’s changing.

Rick Perry is now hitting his fellow Texan over earmarks and Bachmann and Newt Gingrich have begun targeting his foreign policy views. And their in-state surrogates have begun testing another line of attack — that Paul and his backers have “hijacked” the caucuses.

“To see the process hijacked would be a concern for those who consider the honor we have of being first in the nation,” said conservative activist Tamara Scott, a Bachmann state co-chair.
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post Dec 22, 2011, 07:13 AM
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From the Ron Paul website:

* Stop the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) from interfering with Americansí knowledge of and access to dietary supplements and alternative treatments.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/health-care/
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Anyone who is against Ron Paul has to be mentally ill. Thats a fact, not a political opinion.

You have to be insane to be against Ron Paul, or you have to barely know him and the philosophies of Individualism VS Authoritarian Collectivism and how everything unconstitutional federal always backfires and increases suffering.

If you think trans-humanism and neural science personality goes with being left wing and authoritarian collectivism, think again and grow up. Youre going to unleash a brave new world hell instead of whats outlined in the hedonistic imperative if you keep up your ignorance.

You would be very foolish to not rally behind Ron Paul. The federal government will not bring you positive transhumanism, only the people have any chance in hell of going in that direction. Im telling you, even if you believe in left wing things, your left wing things will be more supported under Ron Paul than anyone else ironically, because he will avoid a collapse and save entitlements and the things hes against, like abortion, will be left up to the states anyway and will still continue. Theres nothing to worry about and youre foolish if you dont support Ron Paul-like policy.

If you are stupid & simple minded, you will believe your false first impression that Ron Paul would hinder progress in transhumanism, Neural Science & standard of living/the poor... when really the opposite is true
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QUOTE(Tone @ Dec 27, 2011, 10:47 AM) *

Anyone who is against Ron Paul has to be mentally ill. Thats a fact, not a political opinion.

You have to be insane to be against Ron Paul, or you have to barely know him and the philosophies of Individualism VS Authoritarian Collectivism and how everything unconstitutional federal always backfires and increases suffering.

If you think trans-humanism and neural science personality goes with being left wing and authoritarian collectivism, think again and grow up. Youre going to unleash a brave new world hell instead of whats outlined in the hedonistic imperative if you keep up your ignorance.

You would be very foolish to not rally behind Ron Paul. The federal government will not bring you positive transhumanism, only the people have any chance in hell of going in that direction. Im telling you, even if you believe in left wing things, your left wing things will be more supported under Ron Paul than anyone else ironically, because he will avoid a collapse and save entitlements and the things hes against, like abortion, will be left up to the states anyway and will still continue. Theres nothing to worry about and youre foolish if you dont support Ron Paul-like policy.

If you are stupid & simple minded, you will believe your false first impression that Ron Paul would hinder progress in transhumanism, Neural Science & standard of living/the poor... when really the opposite is true


Wait, seriously?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNOWTRa8aNQ
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