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post Feb 10, 2008, 09:01 PM
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I see demons in my dreams.

Then I wake up very scared.
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QUOTE(Hudzon @ Feb 11, 2008, 02:01 PM) *

I see demons in my dreams.

Then I wake up very scared.

I recently had a dream about zombies. I was attacking them and cutting off their limbs with a knife. I woke up excited and glad that I woke up from such a cool dream because now I could remember it.
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post Feb 11, 2008, 12:11 AM
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Lucid dreaming techniques will help you turn a nightmare into a comedy, or replace it altogether. If you continue to have these dreams it might be worth looking in to. There are also certain herbs and medications that can block dreams, but I wouldnt recommend doing that unless necessary.
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post Mar 07, 2008, 01:52 AM
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It's been a very long time since I last visited BrainMeta. Since then I've read (inter alia) quite a lot of Jungian psychology, which has a great deal to say about dreams.

To put it very simply, dreams are messages from the unconscious. They use a completely symbolic language to turn their numinosity (i.e. primordial mysteriousness) into something intelligible to our consciousness. Out unconscious, being part of our larger self, is on our side. Dreams do not threaten us really, although they usually point to something that our egos (i.e. our conscious awareness) is unaware of or has ignored. They may therefore be uncomfortable to deal with, which is why people tend to shrug them off and not pay them much attention.

However, it is often very worthwhile to pay them close attention, because they can often contain very important impressions. They're not easily interpreted, and it's nigh-impossible for the dreamer him/herself to interpret his/her own dreams (because dreams almost always point to something unconscious, so trying to intepret one's own dreams is like trying to see one's own blind spot - it helps to talk about them with a close friend, for instance, although a knowledge of psychology and the mechanisms of the unconscious is very helpful).

A dream journal is often a useful tool. Probably lucid dreaming is excellent, too. Awareness, as always, is of paramount importance, along with acceptance. And not jumping to conclusions smile.gif
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post Jun 22, 2008, 12:24 PM
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Just before I woke up the other night, I heard a sentence in my dreams. It said "Bring your own glass."
Before I went to sleep that night, I was reading something about the glass being half empty/half full.
(The pessimist says the glass if half empty. The optimist says that it's half full. The realist says that its twice the size it should be!)

Anyway..."Bring your own glass." I found it pretty interesting that that's what my unconscious produced before I came back to waking life.
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post Jun 23, 2008, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE(Hudzon @ Feb 10, 2008, 09:01 PM) *

I see demons in my dreams.

Then I wake up very scared.


Can you describe them, I am interested. I think I can tell you much about them.
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post Jun 23, 2008, 06:45 PM
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I don't have many nightmares, but when I was younger, I used to have nightmares where I could not run, no matter how hard I tried. Gravity overpowered me and I could not even pick up my arms off the ground for balance. I haven't had one of these nightmares in a while. Maybe whatever was wrong in my unconscious life was solved or overcome.
In the last nightmare I had (which was a couple months ago) I felt something, and didn't really perceive anything. I was not put in any particular situation with any particular environment, but my mental state became completely overwhelmed by something. It was as if I was being surrounded by some force, like I was in the center of the earth and gravity is pushing in from all sides. It was as if something was closing in from all sides, from above and below. There were no other characters other than myself, which wasn't really a character at all, for I played no role.
It was strange and has recurred a couple time throughout my life.
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post Jun 23, 2008, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE
They're not easily interpreted, and it's nigh-impossible for the dreamer him/herself to interpret his/her own dreams (because dreams almost always point to something unconscious, so trying to intepret one's own dreams is like trying to see one's own blind spot - it helps to talk about them with a close friend, for instance, although a knowledge of psychology and the mechanisms of the unconscious is very helpful).



I think that it may be tough to interpret ones own dreams, but isn't it important to try? It may help the dreamer to talk it over with a friend or psychologist, but isn't it up to the dreamer to try to relate the unconscious experience to a truth about his/her conscious life?

We can turn to a dreambook and although there may be some consistency in the book's interpretations, they are not necessarily relative to the individual person having the dream. Persons are too diverse for a dreambook to be entirely accurate for each dream experienced. Different pasts lead to different presents. Everyone has their own perspective, both conscious and unconscious. Turning to a friend or a book may help a person get some ideas as to what his/her dreams might mean but in the end, it is ultimately up to the dreamer to interpret his/her own dreams.
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post Jul 30, 2008, 05:13 AM
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Usually I cannot immediately interpret what a dream might subconsciously mean to me, but if i try in the beginning and I am not fully satisfied, I usually find a better suited definition later on in the day and possibly later on in life(recalling dreams from when I was a child). Either way, the dream helps to connect some realm of your life to something that you think of, and it at least sparks some interest in an area that you might not have thought of without it.
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post Aug 02, 2008, 06:37 PM
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i am finding that i wake up more rested when i do not dream.
The best sleep for me has been complete mental void. That's when i seem to wake up the most refreshed.
Lately, when i do dream, i try to let it go and forget it. i am making no conscious effort to remember my dreams. Is this a good idea? Or is important to try to interpret them?

Dreams are like being awake, but lacking volition. Everything else is (usually) there...form, sensation, perception, awareness. But not the will to do things. Unless lucidity is achieved, i guess.
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post Aug 02, 2008, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(boots @ Aug 02, 2008, 07:37 PM) *

i am finding that i wake up more rested when i do not dream.
The best sleep for me has been complete mental void. That's when i seem to wake up the most refreshed.
Lately, when i do dream, i try to let it go and forget it. i am making no conscious effort to remember my dreams. Is this a good idea? Or is important to try to interpret them?

Dreams are like being awake, but lacking volition. Everything else is (usually) there...form, sensation, perception, awareness. But not the will to do things. Unless lucidity is achieved, i guess.


I heard that we always dream but just don't remember sometimes...
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post Aug 02, 2008, 06:55 PM
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True, but then what is the significance of dreaming without the ability to recall them? If they come and go without stamping their impression onto our memories, then they are insignificant. Dreams that fail to leave an impression on our memory are not able of being reflected upon or interpreted, even if we wanted to do so.
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post Aug 02, 2008, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(boots @ Aug 02, 2008, 07:55 PM) *

True, but then what is the significance of dreaming without the ability to recall them? If they come and go without stamping their impression onto our memories, then they are insignificant. Dreams that fail to leave an impression on our memory are not able of being reflected upon or interpreted, even if we wanted to do so.


Subjective relation. I remember dreams that made me have fun when I had none during that day. Some dreams may not be revolutionary, but they can help us assess or appease ourselves in the smallest of measurement.
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post Aug 05, 2008, 06:29 AM
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I’m jealous. I have a disorder where I skip through REM – I had a sleep study done when I was a child, my parent’s were worried when I wouldn’t go to sleep for days, and scared half out of their minds when they couldn’t wake me once as an infant.

The doctor explained that I hit REM like a stone skipping on the water, said it wasn’t something he saw often. So far I’ve managed to stay off the meds for it… but I rarely sleep well.

The occasions when I do have the chance to dream, they are vivid, chronological, and always make sense—almost like watching a movie with a very tightly woven plot line. I always write down the ones I have. From 2000 up to now, about twenty-five in one of those hard backed journals.

Sleep is like a complete break for me. I usually go from light sleep, touch REM then straight into deep sleep, like dying for eight hours. And I feel like I’m missing so much when I don’t dream…
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post Aug 06, 2008, 01:27 AM
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What brainwaves occur with REM and could one practice on developing that state?
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post Aug 15, 2008, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(boots @ Aug 02, 2008, 06:55 PM) *

True, but then what is the significance of dreaming without the ability to recall them? If they come and go without stamping their impression onto our memories, then they are insignificant. Dreams that fail to leave an impression on our memory are not able of being reflected upon or interpreted, even if we wanted to do so.

What is the significance indeed! I personally have had terrible experiences with 'lucid nightmarish demons'. I believe my problem with these dreams was my inability to aknowledge them for what they truely were...a chance to accept these figures as facets of my own inner psyche, and to learn how to act without sucumbing to "their" influence. I think the important thing is to further realize that you are dreaming. As soon as I realized how utterly empty these 'figures' were without my feeding their "existence" as real , they either became my friendly, or dissapeared alltogether. The battle is with fear, without it demons lose their power considerably. These "demons' may have left an impression in my memory, but it was my seeing them as non-existent that made them something truely significant.
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post Aug 16, 2008, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE(Phi @ Aug 02, 2008, 11:46 PM) *

QUOTE(boots @ Aug 02, 2008, 07:55 PM) *

True, but then what is the significance of dreaming without the ability to recall them? If they come and go without stamping their impression onto our memories, then they are insignificant. Dreams that fail to leave an impression on our memory are not able of being reflected upon or interpreted, even if we wanted to do so.


Subjective relation. I remember dreams that made me have fun when I had none during that day. Some dreams may not be revolutionary, but they can help us assess or appease ourselves in the smallest of measurement.

But those are dreams that you can remember. Do you think that the dreams that you have, but do not remember have an effect on your conscious state? Or are they lost in the realm of time past and time unable to be recalled, not affecting our conscious state at all?

QUOTE(Zizius @ Aug 16, 2008, 02:23 AM) *

QUOTE(boots @ Aug 02, 2008, 06:55 PM) *

True, but then what is the significance of dreaming without the ability to recall them? If they come and go without stamping their impression onto our memories, then they are insignificant. Dreams that fail to leave an impression on our memory are not able of being reflected upon or interpreted, even if we wanted to do so.

What is the significance indeed! I personally have had terrible experiences with 'lucid nightmarish demons'. I believe my problem with these dreams was my inability to aknowledge them for what they truely were...a chance to accept these figures as facets of my own inner psyche, and to learn how to act without sucumbing to "their" influence. I think the important thing is to further realize that you are dreaming. As soon as I realized how utterly empty these 'figures' were without my feeding their "existence" as real , they either became my friendly, or dissapeared alltogether. The battle is with fear, without it demons lose their power considerably. These "demons' may have left an impression in my memory, but it was my seeing them as non-existent that made them something truely significant.

That's what makes lucid dreaming so interesting. Once you realize that none of it is real, and it is all a story waiting to be played out, culminating in no harm, anything is possible. Latent fears and anxieties present themselves and can be conquered.

But still, what of the dreams that aren't remembered in the morning? Maybe the demons in those dreams contribute to fears in our conscious state. But since we haven't be able to face them in our dreams and remember it the next morning, they remain demons in the conscious state. If this is the case, then dreaming is important and functional for becoming more confident and becoming free of fears that shouldn't be.
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post Aug 16, 2008, 06:26 PM
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Even without consciously remembering, one can act accordingly to a dream that could have been forgotten. I remember several times where I was doing an action and had then remembered the dream because of that action; this was a time where I was focusing on my own dreams.
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Now I pay less attention to dreams because I see them as a reflection of my day. Instead of picking apart a dream, I tend to reflect on my day and I see this as the next step of interpretation. Sometimes I still have dreams that stick out when I wake up though, and they usually have some kind of pronounced effect as to how I feel about the upcoming day.
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QUOTE(Phi @ Aug 06, 2008, 10:27 AM) *

What brainwaves occur with REM and could one practice on developing that state?
I believe its Delta and Theta waves, which are only a 4-8hz or so. You can use binaural beats to bring your brain to these levels while awake, some of these states are supposedly better for learning. Correctly meditating can also get you where you want to be.

Its very interesting when you consider the Buddha sitting under the tree meditating for long periods and being tempted from the path of enlightenment by visions of demons, sexual desires and abstract objects. Doesn't this sound like the Buddha was experiencing a kind of lucid dream?

It may be possible to find absolute enlightenment within these states!
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Jesus receives from the hierophant his mystic name and number. Passes the first brotherhood test, and receives his first degree, SINCERITY.

1. The master took down from the wall a scroll on which was written down the number and the name of every attribute and character. He said,
2. The circle is the symbol of the perfect man, and seven is the number of the perfect man;
3. The Logos is the perfect word; that which creates; that which destroys, and that which saves.
4. This Hebrew master is the Logos of the Holy One, the Circle of the human race, the Seven of time.
5. And in the record book the scribe wrote down, The Logos-Circle-Seven; and thus was Jesus known.
6. The master said, The Logos will give heed to what I say: No man can enter into light till he has found himself. Go forth and search till you have found your soul and then return.
7. The guide led Jesus to a room in which the light was faint and mellow, like the light of early dawn.
8. The chamber walls were marked with mystic signs, with hieroglyphs and sacred texts; and in this chamber Jesus found himself alone where he remained for many days.
9. He read the sacred texts; thought out the meaning of the hieroglyphs and sought the import of the master's charge to find himself.
10. A revelation came; he got acquainted with his soul; he found himself; then he was not alone.
11. One night he slept and at the midnight hour, a door that he had not observed, was opened, and a priest in sombre garb came in and said,
12. My brother, pardon me for coming in at this unseemly hour; but I have come to save your life.
13. You are the victim of a cruel plot. The priests of Heliopolis are jealous of your fame, and they have said that you shall never leave these gloomy crypts alive.
14. The higher priests do not go forth to teach the world, and you are doomed to temple servitude.
15. Now, if you would be free, you must deceive these priests; must tell them you are here to stay for life;
16. And then, when you have gained all that you wish to gain, I will return, and by a secret way will lead you forth that you may go in peace.
17. And Jesus said, My brother man, would you come here to teach deceit? Am I within these holy walls to learn the wiles of vile hypocrisy?
18. Nay, man, my Father scorns deceit, and I am here to do his will.
19. Deceive these priests! Not while the sun shall shine. What I have said, that I have said; I will be true to them, to God, and to myself.
20. And then the tempter left, and Jesus was again alone; but in a little time a white- robed priest appeared and said,
21. Well done! The Logos has prevailed. This is the trial chamber of hypocrisy. And then he led the way, and Jesus stood before the judgement seat.
22. And all the brothers stood; the hierophant came forth and laid his hand on Jesus' head, and placed within his hands a scroll, on which was written just one word, SINCERITY; and not a word was said.
23. The guide again appeared, and led the way, and in a spacious room replete with everything a student craves was Jesus bade to rest and wait.

Jesus passes the second brotherhood test, and receives the second degree, JUSTICE.

1. The Logos did not care to rest; he said, Why wait in this luxurious room? I need not rest; my Father's work upon me presses hard.
2. I would go on and learn my lessons all. If there are trials, let them come, for every victory over self gives added strength.
3. And then the guide led on, and in a chamber, dark as night, was Jesus placed and left alone; and days were spent in this deep solitude.
4. And Jesus slept, and in the dead of night a secret door was opened, and, in priest's attire, two men came in; each carried in his hand a little flickering lamp.
5. Approaching Jesus, one spoke out and said, Young man, our hearts are grieved because of what you suffer in these fearful dens, and we have come as friends to bring you light, and show the way to liberty.
6. We once, like you, were in these dens confined, and thought that through these weird, uncanny ways we could attain to blessedness and power;
7. But in a luckful moment we were undeceived, and, making use of all our strength, we broke our chains, and then we learned that all this service is corruption in disguise. These priests are criminals just hid away.
8. They boast in sacrificial rites; they offer to their gods, and burn them while alive poor birds, and beasts; yea, children, women, men.
9. And now they keep you here, and, at a certain time, may offer you in sacrifice.
10. We pray you, brother, break your chains; come, go with us; accept of freedom while you may.
11. And Jesus said, Your little tapers show the light you bring. Pray, who are you? The words of man are worth no more than is the man himself.
12. These temple walls are strong and high; how gained you entrance to this place?
13. The men replied, Beneath these walls are many hidden ways, and we who have been priests, spent months and years within these dens, know all of them.
14. Then you are traitors, Jesus said. A traitor is a fiend; he who betrays another man is never man to trust.
15. If one has only reached the plane of treachery, he is a lover of deceit, and will betray a friend to serve his selfish self.
16. Behold, you men, or whatsoe'er you be, your words fall lightly on my ears,
17. Could I prejudge these hundred priests, turn traitor to myself and them, because of what you say when you confess your treachery?
18. No man can judge for me; and if I judge till testimony all is in I might not judge aright.
19. Nay, men; by whatsoever way you came, return. My soul prefers the darkness of the grave to little flickering lights like these you bring.
20. My conscience rules; what these, my brothers, have to say I'll hear, and when the testimony all is in I will decide. You cannot judge for me, nor I for you,
21. Begone, you men, begone, and leave me to this charming light; for while the sun shines not, within my soul there is a light surpassing that of sun or moon.
22. Then, with an angry threat that they would do him harm, the wily tempters left, and Jesus was again alone.
23. Again the white-robed priest appeared, and led the way, and Jesus stood again before the hierophant;
24. And not a word was said, but in his hands the master placed a scroll on which the word suggestive, JUSTICE, was inscribed.
25. And Jesus was the master of the phantom forms of prejudice and of treachery.

Jesus passes the third brotherhood test, and receives the third degree, FAITH.

1. The Logos waited seven days, and then was taken to the Hall of Fame, a chamber rich in furnishings, and lighted up with gold and silver lamps.
2. The colours of its ceilings, decorations, furnishings and walls were blue and gold.
3. Its shelves were filled with books of master minds; the paintings and the statues were the works of highest art.
4. And Jesus was entranced with all this elegance and these manifests of thought. He read the sacred books, and sought the meanings of the symbols and the hieroglyphs.
5. And when he was absorbed in deepest thought, a priest approached and said,
6. Behold the glory of this place: my brother, you are highly blest. Few men of earth, so young, have reached such heights of fame.
7. Now, if you do not waste your life in search for hidden things that men can never comprehend, you may be founder of a school of thought that will insure you endless fame;
8. For your philosophy is deeper far than that of Plato, and your teachings please the common people more than those of Socrates.
9. Why seek for mystic light within these antiquated dens? Go forth and walk with men, and think with men, and they will honour you.
10. And, after all, these weird initiations may be myths, and your Messiah hopes but base illusions of the hour.
11. I would advise you to renounce uncertain things and choose the course that leads to certain fame.
12. And thus the priest, a demon in disguise, sung syren songs of unbelief; and Jesus meditated long and well on what he said.
13. The conflict was a bitter one, for king Ambition is a sturdy foe to fight.
14. For forty days the higher wrestled with the lower self, and then the fight was won.
15. Faith rose triumphant; unbelief was not. Ambition covered up his face and fled away, and Jesus said,
16. The wealth, the honour, and the fame of earth are but the baubles of an hour.
17. When this short span of earthly life has all been measured out, man's bursting baubles will be buried with his bones,
18. Yea, what a man does for his selfish self will make no markings on the credit side of life.
19. The good that men for other men shall do becomes a ladder strong on which the soul may climb to wealth, and power and fame of God's own kind, that cannot pass away.
20. Give me the poverty of men, the consciousness of duty done in love, the approbation of my God, and I will be content.
21. And then he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said,
22. My Father-God, I thank thee for this hour. I ask not for the glory of thyself; I fain would be a keeper of thy temple gates, and serve my brother man.
23. Again was Jesus called to stand before the hierophant; again no word was said, but in his hands the master placed a scroll on which was written, FAITH.
24. And Jesus bowed his head in humble thanks; then went his way.

Jesus passes the fourth brotherhood test, and receives the fourth degree, PHILANTHROPY.

1. When other certain days had passed, the guide led Jesus to the Hall of Mirth, a hall most richly furnished, and replete with everything a carnal heart could wish.
2. The choicest viands and the most delicious wines were on the boards; and maids, in gay attire, served all with grace and cheerfulness.
3. And men and women, richly clad, were there; and they were wild with joy; they sipped from every cup of mirth.
4. And Jesus watched the happy throng in silence for a time, and then a man in garb of sage came up and said, Most happy is the man who, like the bee, can gather sweets from every flower.
5. The wise man is the one who seeks for pleasure, and can find it everywhere.
6. At best man's span of life on earth is short, and then he dies and goes, he knows not where.
7. Then let us eat, and drink, and dance, and sing, and get the joys of life, for death comes on apace.
8. It is but foolishness to spend a life for other men. Behold, all die and lie together in the grave, where none can know and none can show forth gratitude.
9. But Jesus answered not; upon the tinselled guests in all their rounds of mirth he gazed in silent thought.
10. And then among the guests he saw a man whose clothes were coarse; who showed in face and hands the lines of toil and want.
11. The giddy throng found pleasure in abusing him; they jostled him against the wall, and laughed at his discomfiture.
12. And then a poor, frail woman came, who carried in her face and form the marks of sin and shame; and without mercy she was spit upon, and jeered, and driven from the hall.
13. And then a little child, with timid ways and hungry mien, came in and asked for just a morsel of their food.
14. But she was driven out uncared for and unloved; and still the merry dance went on.
15. And when the pleasure seekers urged that Jesus join them in their mirth, he said,
16. How could I seek for pleasure for myself while others are in want? How can you think that while the children cry for bread, while those in haunts of sin call out for sympathy and love that I can fill myself to full with the good things of life?
17. I tell you, nay; we all are kin, each one a part of the great human heart.
18. I cannot see myself apart from that poor man that you so scorned, and crowded to the wall;
19. Nor from the one in female garb who came up from the haunts of vice to ask for sympathy and love, who was by you so ruthlessly pushed back into her den of sin;
20. Nor from that little child that you drove from your midst to suffer in the cold, bleak winds of night.
21. I tell you, men, what you have done to these, my kindred, you have done to me.
22. You have insulted me in your own home; I cannot stay. I will go forth and find that child, that woman and that man, and give them help until my life's blood all has ebbed away.
23. I call it pleasure when I help the helpless, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, and speak good words of cheer to those unloved, discouraged and depressed.
24. And this that you call mirth is but a phantom of the night; but flashes of the fire of passion, painting pictures on the walls of time.
25. And while the Logos spoke the white-robed priest came in and said to him, The council waits for you.
26. Then Jesus stood again before the bar; again no word was said; the hierophant placed in his hands a scroll, on which was writ, PHILANTHROPY.
27. And Jesus was a victor over selfish self.

Jesus spends forty days in the temple groves. Passes the fifth brotherhood test and receives the fifth degree, HEROISM.

1. The sacred temple groves were rich in statues, monuments and shrines; here Jesus loved to walk and meditate.
2. And after he had conquered self he talked with nature in these groves for forty days.
3. And then the guide took chains and bound him hand and foot; and then cast him into a den of hungry beasts, of unclean birds, and creeping things.
4. The den was dark as night; the wild beasts howled; the birds in fury screamed; the reptiles hissed.
5. And Jesus said, Who was it that did bind me thus? Why did I meekly sit to be bound down with chains?
6. I tell you, none has power to bind a human soul. Of what are fetters made?
7. And in his might he rose, and what he thought were chains were only worthless cords that parted at his touch.
8. And then he laughed and said, The chains that bind men to the carcasses of earth are forged in fancy's shop; are made of air, and welded in illusion's fires.
9. If man will stand erect, and use the power of will, his chains will fall, like worthless rags; for will and faith are stronger than the stoutest chains that men have ever made.
10. And Jesus stood erect among the hungry beasts, and birds, and said, What is this darkness that envelops me?
11. 'Tis but the absence of the light. And what is light? 'Tis but the breath of God vibrating in the rhythm of rapid thought.
12. And then he said, Let there be light; and with a mighty will he stirred the ethers up, and their vibrations reached the plane of light; and there was light.
13. The darkness of that den of night became the brightness of a newborn day.
14. And then he looked to see the beasts, and birds, and creeping things; lo, they were not.
15. And Jesus said, Of what are souls afraid? Fear is the chariot in which man rides to death;
16. And when he finds himself within the chamber of the dead, he learns that he has been deceived; his chariot was a myth, and death a fancy child.
17. But some day all man's lessons will be learned, and from the den of unclean beasts, and birds, and creeping things he will arise to walk in light.
18. And Jesus saw a ladder made of gold, on which he climbed, and at the top the white-robed priest awaited him.
19. Again he stood before the council bar; again no word was said; again the hierophant reached forth his hand to bless.
20. He placed in Jesus' hand another scroll, and on this one was written, HEROISM.
21. The Logos had encountered fear and all his phantom host, and in the conflict he achieved the victory.

Jesus passes the sixth brotherhood test and receives the sixth degree, LOVE DIVINE.

1. In all the land there is no place more grandly furnished than the Beauty Parlours of the temple of the sun.
2. Few students ever entered these rich rooms; the priests regarded them with awe, and called them Halls of Mysteries.
3. When Jesus had attained the victory over fear, he gained the right to enter here.
4. The guide led on the way, and after passing many richly furnished rooms they reached the Hall of Harmony; and here was Jesus left alone.
5. Among the instruments of music was a harpsichord, and Jesus sat in thoughtful mood inspecting it, when, quietly, a maiden of entrancing beauty came into the hall.
6. She did not seem to notice Jesus as he sat and mused, so busy with his thoughts.
7. She found her place beside the harpsichord; she touched the chords most gently, and she sung the songs of Israel.
8. And Jesus was entranced; such beauty he had never seen; such music he had never heard.
9. The maiden sung her songs; she did not seem to know that any one was near; she went her way.
10. And Jesus, talking with himself, said out, What is the meaning of this incident? I did not know that such entrancing beauty and such queen-like loveliness were ever found among the sons of men.
11. I did not know that voice of angel ever graced a human form, or that seraphic music ever came from human lips.
12. For days he sat entranced; the current of his thoughts was changed; he thought of nothing but the singer and her songs.
13. He longed to see her once again; and after certain days she came; she spoke and laid her hand upon his head.
14. Her touch thrilled all his soul, and for the time, forgotten was the work that he was sent to do.
15. Few were the words the maiden said; she went her way; but then the heart of Jesus had been touched.
16. A love-flame had been kindled in his soul, and he was brought to face the sorest trial of his life.
17. He could not sleep nor eat. Thoughts of the maiden came; they would not go. His carnal nature called aloud for her companionship.
18. And then he said, Lo, I have conquered every foe that I have met, and shall I now be conquered by this carnal love?
19. My Father sent me here to show the power of love divine, that love that reaches every living thing.
20. Shall this pure, universal love be all absorbed by carnal love? Shall I forget all creatures else, and lose my life in this fair maiden, though she is the highest type of beauty, purity and love?
21. Into its very depths his soul was stirred, and long he wrestled with this angel-idol of his heart.
22. But when the day was almost lost, his higher ego rose in might; he found himself again, and then he said,
23. Although my heart shall break I will not fail in this my hardest task; I will be victor over carnal love.
24. And when again the maiden came, and offered him her hand and heart, he said,
25. Fair one, your very presence thrills me with delight; your voice is benediction to my soul; my human self would fly with you, and be contented in your love;
26. But all the world is craving for a love that I have come to manifest.
27. I must, then, bid you go; but we will meet again; our ways on earth will not be cast apart.
28. I see you in the hurrying throngs of earth as minister of love; I hear your voice in song, that wins the hearts of men to better things.
29. And then in sorrow and in tears the maiden went away, and Jesus was again alone.
30. And instantly the great bells of the temple rang; the singers sung a new, new song; the grotto blazed with light.
31. The hierophant himself appeared, and said, All hail! triumphant Logos, hail! The conqueror of carnal love stands on the heights.
32. And then he placed in Jesus' hands a scroll on which was written, LOVE DIVINE.
33. Together they passed through the grotto of the beautiful, and in the banquet hall a feast was served, and Jesus was the honoured guest.

Jesus becomes a private pupil of the hierophant and is taught the mysteries of Egypt. In passing the seventh test, he works in the Chamber of the Dead.

1. The senior course of study now was opened up and Jesus entered and became a pupil of the hierophant.
2. He learned the secrets of the mystic lore of Egypt land; the mysteries of life and death and of the worlds beyond the circle of the sun.
3. When he had finished all the studies of the senior course, he went into the Chamber of the Dead, that he might learn the ancient methods of preserving from decay the bodies of the dead; and here he wrought.
4. And carriers brought the body of a widow's only son to be embalmed; the weeping mother followed close; her grief was great.
5. And Jesus said, Good woman, dry your tears; you follow but an empty house; your son is in it not.
6. You weep because your son is dead. Death is a cruel word; your son can never die.
7. He had a task assigned to do in garb of flesh; he came; he did his work, and then he laid the flesh aside; he did not it more.
8. Beyond your human sight he has another work to do, and he will do it well, and then pass on to other tasks, and, by and by, he will attain the crown of perfect life.
9. And what your son has done, and what he yet must do, we all must do.
10. Now, if you harbour grief, and give your sorrows vent they will grow greater every day. They will absorb your very life until at last you will be naught but grief, wet down with bitter tears.
11. Instead of helping him you grieve your son by your deep grief. He seeks your solace now as he has ever done; is glad when you are glad; is saddened when you grieve.
12. Go bury deep your woes, and smile at grief, and lose yourself in helping others dry their tears.
13. With duty done comes happiness and joy; and gladness cheers the hearts of those who have passed on.
14. The weeping woman turned, and went her way to find a happiness in helpfulness; to bury deep her sorrows in a ministry of joy.
15. Then other carriers came and brought the body of a mother to the Chamber of the Dead; and just one mourner followed; she a girl of tender years.
16. And as the cortege neared the door, the child observed a wounded bird in sore distress, a cruel hunter's dart had pierced its breast.
17. And she left following the dead, and went to help the living bird.
18. With tenderness and love she folded to her breast the wounded bird, then hurried to her place.
19. And Jesus said to her, Why did you leave your dead to save a wounded bird?
20. The maiden said, This lifeless body needs no help from me; but I can help while yet life is; my mother taught me this.
21. My mother taught that grief and selfish love, and hopes and fears are but reflexes from the lower self;
22. That what we sense are but small waves upon the rolling billows of a life.
23. These all will pass away; they are unreal.
24. Tears flow from hearts of flesh; the spirit never weeps; and I am longing for the day when I will walk in light, where tears are wiped away.
25. My mother taught that all emotions are the sprays that rise from human loves, and hopes, and fears; that perfect bliss cannot be ours till we have conquered these.
26. And in the presence of that child did Jesus bow his head in reverence. He said,
27. For days and months and years I've sought to learn this highest truth that man can learn on earth, and here a child, fresh brought to earth, has told it all in one short breath.
28. No wonder David said, O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
29. Out of the mouths of babes and suckings hast thou ordained strength.
30. And then he laid his hand upon the maiden's head, and said, I'm sure the blessings of my Father-God will rest upon you, child, for evermore.

Jesus passes the seventh brotherhood test, and in the purple room of the temple receives the seventh, the highest degree, THE CHRIST. He leaves the temple a conqueror.

1. The work of Jesus in the Chamber of the Dead was done, and in the temple purple room he stood before the hierophant,
2. And he was clothed in purple robes; and all the brothers stood. The hierophant arose and said,
3. This is a royal day for all the hosts of Israel. In honour of their chosen son we celebrate the great Passover Feast.
4. And then he said to Jesus, Brother, man, most excellent of men, in all the temple tests you have won out.
5. Six times before the bar of right you have been judged; six times you have received the highest honours man can give; and now you stand prepared to take the last degree.
6. Upon your brow I place this diadem, and in the Great Lodge of the heavens and earth you are THE CHRIST.
7. This is your Passover rite. You are a neophyte no more; but now a master mind.
8. Now, man can do no more; but God himself will speak, and will confirm your title and degree.
9. Go on your way, for you must preach the gospel of good will to men and peace on earth; must open up the prison doors and set the captives free.
10. And while the hierophant yet spoke the temple bells rang out; a pure white dove descended from above and sat on Jesus' head.
11. And then a voice that shook the very temple said, THIS IS THE CHRIST; and every living creature said, AMEN.
12. The great doors of the temple swung ajar; the Logos journeyed on his way a conqueror.
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Seriously Joe, if I wanted to read that much about Jesus and religion, I'd have gone to Sunday school.
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I thought it was a nice compliment to your comment regarding Buddha's struggle with the senses and enlightenment.
It's never too late or a waste of time to learn about enlightenment. wink.gif
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