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post Apr 05, 2010, 09:30 PM
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Why are sunsets so beautiful?
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post Apr 06, 2010, 06:44 AM
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Might as well go straight to the core questions: what makes ugly things ugly? What is bad art? If a child's painting is not good art, is it bad art?
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post Apr 06, 2010, 09:33 AM
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Why is the core of the question related to subject quality rather than the perceptions of reality and the ability and choice to qualify?
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post Apr 06, 2010, 10:50 AM
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The question presupposes that beauty/ugliness are not in the eye of the beholder.
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post Apr 06, 2010, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Apr 06, 2010, 01:30 AM) *

Why are sunsets so beautiful?

As the sun sets, its light passes through more and more of the darkening atmosphere en route to the eye.... in the process all the warm colours of red, yellow and orange begin to dominate the visual spectrum over the cool colours of blues and greens. The stronger the darkening, the redder the colour.

According to Goethe.... light and darkness meet in a turbid medium to create colour.

According to current physics.... these warm colours arise through the scattering of of light through Goethe's 'turbid' medium. From molecules in the air, light is scattered according to strictly mathematical laws and in the process these colours are produced. Where light meets darkness, colours flash into existence.
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post Apr 06, 2010, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 06, 2010, 10:44 AM) *

Might as well go straight to the core questions: what makes ugly things ugly? What is bad art? If a child's painting is not good art, is it bad art?

hmmmm.... I think those questions would be better suited as topics of discussion in their own right, but this thread is meant to focus on the beauty of sunsets, be it subjective phenomenon or objective and empirical facts!
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post Apr 06, 2010, 12:06 PM
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Then we'll need separate threads on the beauty of roses, children's art, chimpanzee art, robot art, etc.

So "why" is a sunset beautiful? Because of unusualness. All day long we see sun and clouds. Only at sunset do they turn orange. Then we say "what beauty!" when they had been beautiful all day.

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post Apr 06, 2010, 12:45 PM
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yes.... it does become rather unusual at sunset. For me, their is a certain relaxing and comforting warmth in the warm visual wavelengths that are triggered by naturally occurring physical phenomenon.

Great photo.... here are a few that I've taken!















I enjoy how the rays travel through the atmosphere and reflect of earthly bound physical objects bringing out warm reddish tones!
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post Apr 06, 2010, 01:57 PM
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So is it "I enjoy" or is the beauty inherent in the light? Would a person from a blue star appreciate it the same way? Maybe it would be ugly to him.

Is it the purpose of the artist to create a beautiful artifact, or is it some other purpose? Or does it depend on the artist? Do some artists strive to make beautiful things and others do other things? How do we judge how well the artist achieves his purpose? Should we care?

What if the artist has no desire to connect with the the viewers of his art? Does that make him a bad artist?
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post Apr 06, 2010, 06:16 PM
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post Apr 06, 2010, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 06, 2010, 05:57 PM) *

So is it "I enjoy" or is the beauty inherent in the light? Would a person from a blue star appreciate it the same way? Maybe it would be ugly to him or her.

.... now you're thinking buddy. These are good questions!
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post Apr 06, 2010, 09:19 PM
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I don't think the redhead would appreciate it......
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post Apr 07, 2010, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Apr 06, 2010, 07:52 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 06, 2010, 05:57 PM) *

So is it "I enjoy" or is the beauty inherent in the light? Would a person from a blue star appreciate it the same way? Maybe it would be ugly to him or her.

.... now you're thinking buddy. These are good questions!

Those are fairly basic issues. Have you no answers?
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post Apr 07, 2010, 11:38 AM
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OK, relativistically speaking I 'enjoy' the 'inherent' beauty of the setting sun's rays wink.gif! As for the other basic questions and whether it is either or, or both, those are questions that you should want to obtain the answers to for yourself.... as I am sure you do posses, and is not what this thread is trying to focus on!
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post Apr 07, 2010, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Apr 07, 2010, 12:38 PM) *

OK, relativistically speaking I 'enjoy' the 'inherent' beauty of the setting sun's rays wink.gif! As for the other basic questions and whether it is either or, or both, those are questions that you should want to obtain the answers to for yourself.... as I am sure you do posses, and is not what this thread is trying to focus on!

By its title, I thought that was exactly what this thread is trying to focus on.
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post Apr 10, 2010, 01:41 PM
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They are more beautiful when you are a child.
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post Jun 23, 2010, 09:08 PM
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Sunset is the regular assessment of the continuing need for a state agency to exist.Dust does not cause brilliant sunsets.Sunlight is composed of a spectrum of colors that ranges from violet and blue at one end to orange and red on the other.The best sunsets occur when there are at least a few high clouds.
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post Jun 24, 2010, 09:09 AM
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post Jun 27, 2010, 05:29 AM
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I am reading Richard Dawkin's book "Unweaving the Rainbow" where he talks about our scientific understanding of how rainbows come about. His central thesis argues that science has not taken the beauty out of natural phenomena and made them less 'mystical', but that science and our increased understanding of the natural world has made such phenomena perhaps more beautiful and mysterious.
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post Jun 27, 2010, 08:03 AM
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There are inborn mechanisms which find certain things beautiful.

Facial structures with more symmetry are more beautiful because its a sign of healthier genes. Younger faces are more attractive once again, because younger people are healthier. Which is better for the reproduction side of the equation.

Some aspects of beauty are social. It changes over time.

You'd have to ask the biologist but we may have a genetic predisposition to enjoying the dramatic colors of the rainbow, in the same way we are attracted to flowers, or butterflies.

It could also be psychological. We are so used blue sky, white clouds, etc. That when we see a dramatic shift with intense colors this may be what causes us to find it beautiful, it is a dramatic change in the dullness of the sky. Not to say the big blue sky cant be beautiful, just that this is another possibility, a psychological one.
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post Jun 28, 2010, 02:50 PM
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why?



that's why!
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post Jun 28, 2010, 03:57 PM
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why?



that's why!
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post Jun 28, 2010, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Jun 28, 2010, 07:57 PM) *

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why?



that's why!
Call 911!

.... is your # finally up?
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post Jun 28, 2010, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jun 27, 2010, 05:03 PM) *

There are inborn mechanisms which find certain things beautiful.

Facial structures with more symmetry are more beautiful because its a sign of healthier genes. Younger faces are more attractive once again, because younger people are healthier. Which is better for the reproduction side of the equation.

Some aspects of beauty are social. It changes over time.

You'd have to ask the biologist but we may have a genetic predisposition to enjoying the dramatic colors of the rainbow, in the same way we are attracted to flowers, or butterflies.

It could also be psychological. We are so used blue sky, white clouds, etc. That when we see a dramatic shift with intense colors this may be what causes us to find it beautiful, it is a dramatic change in the dullness of the sky. Not to say the big blue sky cant be beautiful, just that this is another possibility, a psychological one.


Maybe that is harmony of proportions that resonates on Brain level when the resonating proportions are embedded in the image's curves being observed?
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post Jun 28, 2010, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(Homegamek @ Jun 29, 2010, 06:34 AM) *

QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jun 27, 2010, 05:03 PM) *

There are inborn mechanisms which find certain things beautiful.

Facial structures with more symmetry are more beautiful because its a sign of healthier genes. Younger faces are more attractive once again, because younger people are healthier. Which is better for the reproduction side of the equation.

Some aspects of beauty are social. It changes over time.

You'd have to ask the biologist but we may have a genetic predisposition to enjoying the dramatic colors of the rainbow, in the same way we are attracted to flowers, or butterflies.

It could also be psychological. We are so used blue sky, white clouds, etc. That when we see a dramatic shift with intense colors this may be what causes us to find it beautiful, it is a dramatic change in the dullness of the sky. Not to say the big blue sky cant be beautiful, just that this is another possibility, a psychological one.


Maybe that is harmony of proportions that resonates on Brain level when the resonating proportions are embedded in the image's curves being observed?
That's how not why!
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QUOTE(Joesus @ Apr 07, 2010, 03:16 AM) *


Hey, I must have missed that pair of sunsets! Certainly made my sunrise!
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QUOTE(Homegamek @ Jun 29, 2010, 06:34 AM) *

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There are inborn mechanisms which find certain things beautiful.

Facial structures with more symmetry are more beautiful because its a sign of healthier genes. Younger faces are more attractive once again, because younger people are healthier. Which is better for the reproduction side of the equation.

Some aspects of beauty are social. It changes over time.

You'd have to ask the biologist but we may have a genetic predisposition to enjoying the dramatic colors of the rainbow, in the same way we are attracted to flowers, or butterflies.

It could also be psychological. We are so used blue sky, white clouds, etc. That when we see a dramatic shift with intense colors this may be what causes us to find it beautiful, it is a dramatic change in the dullness of the sky. Not to say the big blue sky cant be beautiful, just that this is another possibility, a psychological one.


Maybe that is harmony of proportions that resonates on Brain level when the resonating proportions are embedded in the image's curves being observed?
That's how not why!


What an interesting idiomatic exclamatory English sentence.
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It certainly might be.
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