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| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 19, 2004, 06:49 PM
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What exactly the brain does and how the Thalami act as crystal radio receivers and amplifiers is an area of major interest in many scientific disciplines; but the halls of academia are still operating as if what was taught thirty years ago has validity. We are about to quote from a book authored by two seminar leaders on hypnosis to give a feel for what people have done to understand the brain and the mind for many millennia and probably millions of years. They correctly identify the whole field as trance combined with communication. All communication is a form of hypnosis from a certain point of view. Personally you may have met someone who has a mesmerizing voice or one that makes you relax. As a salesperson it was important for me to recognize the different kinds of voice and how the expression of what ever I wanted to say was just a part of what communicated. In the area of love-making and seduction the Romance languages seem most suitable but in reality English and voice modulation is just as good. They have a sub-title to their book that helps throw the net around the scope of the field - "Neuro-Linguistic Programming and the Structure of Hypnosis". If you think about it you'll see that our entire environment is programming us at all times.
"Hypnosis is a word that usually gets strong responses from people - some positive and some negative. Some people think it's a hoax or only good for making people act like chickens, some people think is will cure everything from dandruff to flat feet, and others think it is so dangerous that it should be left alone completely. Trance experiences have existed in different forms for centuries, usually surrounded by a mystique of something 'magical' and unexplainable. What is unique about this book is that it turns the 'magic' of hypnosis into specific understandable procedures that can be used not only in doing 'hypnosis' but also in everyday communication. When John Grinder and Richard Bandler do a seminar on hypnosis together, one of them usually says ‘All communication is hypnosis' and the other says 'I disagree, nothing is hypnosis; hypnosis doesn't exist.' There is a sense in which they are both right, and both are saying the same thing." (3) They cover many techniques including touch and squeezing a person on their shoulder. The psychic body has many points that are directly related to the chakra and acupuncture charts. The act of massage and the soothing voice of a trained therapist can function to access the brain and beyond. It can access things the person often can't do for themself. I believe the trained healers who work miracles often use the delta brainwave state of their patient to send their energy through. We are fortunate to not have to go through the same kinds of inquisitional trials that Mesmer and his predecessors went through and even more fortunate that there are books like this and detailed 'how-to' books on Yoga like the Yogic Society of Chicago put out at the beginning of the 20th century. We have no real excuse for not becoming truly educated and aware except that we lost the joy of learning when we were in school being bored to a state of hypnotic disinterest. |
| lgking |
Sep 19, 2004, 09:14 PM
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about my experiences with hypnosis
new readers, first take a look at what i wrote in the last pages of "does intelligent design require an intelligent creator" http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?show...=5906&st=40&hl= so post some of this at http://www.flfcanada.com years ago, i made the personal discovery--which was new to me, at the time; but perhaps not to others--that all a good hypnotist really does is discover those people who simply have the gift of being able to go into a deep somnambulistic trance. all the good hypnotist does is take away people's fear and give them the confidence to do so. i have also found that many people are already trapped in trances, and are simple unaware of it. in such cases, my role is to people them free themselves. [btw, i am having trouble getting capitals to remain where i place them. is it my 'puter, or the system?] This post has been edited by lgking: Sep 20, 2004, 08:00 PM |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 20, 2004, 04:18 AM
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The use of hypnosis extends to subtle programming and even the use of a podium to create an image or effect that makes people receptive. The entertainers are what you are talking about perhaps.
I will post the thoughts of one of them in this regard if I can find it in my books. Therapists (such as my 'twin') find the abuse of hypnosis in the hands of entertainers to be dangerous and unethical sometimes. Today (since the advent of the Frequency Fence, HAARP and Persinger's work cioming together in 2004) many therapists are saying that their patients are already hypnotized which fits with a little of what you say here. |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 20, 2004, 04:36 AM
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WELLNESS: - The mind and the soul have ways of integrating that we have carried on a great length about under diverse entries such as Thalami, Aum (Om) and wholistic medical advances or Cancer cures. Under magnetism we mentioned Mesmer who is considered the 'Father of Hypnosis' by many. Hypnosis is just another way to achieve an altered state of consciousness like meditation or good sex. Like many avenues to the soul and away from the control of those who would keep us in the dark and treat us like mushrooms (feeding us the excrement of animals they think are as low as ‘they’ truly are); hypnotism has suffered the attacks of many well-respected 'experts'. It has shown it has validity and value despite this often frontal assault on what actually 'works'! The power of positive thinking became a major part of the culture and self-help genre in the 70s and it is a form of hypnosis sometimes.
"Hypnosis is a level of consciousness that is being neither awake nor asleep. Hypnosis is a state of heightened suggestibility normally characterized by focused or concentrated attention and often bodily relaxation. Music, focusing on deep breathing, isolation tanks, meditation, focusing on a word such as 'calm' over and over, running, massage, saunas, even warm baths can alter consciousness. {Fasting can accentuate any INTENT, as well.} Any atmosphere that encourages imagery can alter consciousness. This may include: *The scent of burning incense *Lighting effects with flickering candles in darkness, stained glass windows *Emotion-arousing music, repetitive sounds, chanting *Symbolism with specific architectural designs, decor with pictures and ornate carvings, robes, etc. *Point of fixation such as an altar, picture, candle flame, or cross *Ceremony with certain rituals *Sermon with repetitive ideas or sounds and specific voice inflections *Silent meditation with eyes closed, focusing attention away from the outer world to the inner world of the mind Any and all of these factors {Plus repetitive propaganda and peer expectation.} may aid the creation of an altered state of consciousness, which some people call the superconscious state of a 'higher self' state. The unfortunate fact is that this state also is capitalized on by more than 5,000 cults in America, which exploit followers under the guise of healing, personal growth, and self-actualization. My most memorable show of the eighties was at the Pacific National Exhibition (PNE) in Vancouver, British Columbia. We held 33 evening concerts in 17 days. More than 50,000 people saw our presentations with up to 5,000 spectators at a single performance. The shows were done on a huge stage that was often over-crowded even though it could hold more than 200 people. The expectancy of the crowd reached the point where I could walk on stage and within seconds have 50 to 100 people collapse in seconds and fall to the floor. All I had to do was go to the center of the stage, look over the entire crowd, raise my right hand and simultaneously drop it, and in a commanding voice shout 'Sleep'. This was a quick way to get the show moving, and that was important for full entertainment impact. The audience couldn't get enough of the show and enjoyed the humor the volunteers' antics created much more than how the actual hypnosis worked.†(16) |
| lgking |
Sep 20, 2004, 08:54 AM
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BTW, RTB, to my great relief, way back when, I came to understand that--and I am not sure where I first got the idea, maybe from the writings of Milton Erickson--hypnosis is not something that a "master" does to a "subject". It is, rather, what happens between people when they interact with one another.
For good or ill, this powerful interaction can take place between individuals and, on a one to one basis, lead to negative and/or positive things happening. Or, like the example you gave, charismatic personalities or leadership types, including entertainers, spiritual leaders, evangelists, political leaders, whoever, can "work" the audience and make positive and/or negative things happen. IN MY OPINION, THE "FORCE" IS NEUTRAL For some time, now, I have been convinced--and I am always open to be persuaded otherwise--that this powerful mental/spiritual force, which I call the pneuma component and factor, is like the light and energy which comes to us from the sun. Of itself, it is neutral. It can be used to do evil or good. If I exposed myself to the blazing light and heat of the sun for too long, without mercy, it will physically kill me. If I look at it, without proper protection, it will blind me. In my opinion, if there is a powerful mental/spiritual force waiting to be understood and used, the worse thing we can do is nothing. Sure the taking of any kind of action involves risk, and the making of mistakes that could cause us some pain. However, if we allow ourselves to be motivated by fear of the unknown and other destructive emotions-powerful pneumatological tools often used by clever obscurants--and not to try to understand and to work with this "pneumatological force", evil is bound to happen. |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 20, 2004, 09:32 AM
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I think that is an analysis I almost want to put in my books. I would add that there is a man that NASA has satisfied themselves can take nourishment from the sun and they are trying to learn this to teach to those who will travel in the cosmos.
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| lgking |
Sep 20, 2004, 09:45 AM
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"...hypnosis is not something that a "master" does to a "subject". It is, rather, what happens between people when they interact with one another."
To this I would add: Hypnosis is something a curious student learns from a wise teacher. You write: "I think that is an analysis I almost want to put in my books." What do you have in mind? And, what is the "that"? |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 20, 2004, 09:48 AM
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Here is how I put it in my books - if that is OK with you.
I am in a neuroscience forum on the web where a minister of the Unitarian Universalist persuasion is a participant. We are discussing all manner of things related to the soulful sciences and I wish to have my readers see this wise older man has a lot to offer at this juncture. Here is Lindsey King’s response to me (as Robert the Bruce or RTB) in a thread dealing with healing and hypnotic effective or positive thinking potentials. There is also a man from India that NASA is convinced can gain energy from the sun to the point that he has not needed to eat for many years. They are trying to learn this and if they do they will teach it to those who are about to travel the cosmic light fantastic. ‘BTW, RTB, to my great relief, way back when, I came to understand that--and I am not sure where I first got the idea, maybe from the writings of Milton Erickson--hypnosis is not something that a "master" does to a "subject". It is, rather, what happens between people when they interact with one another. For good or ill, this powerful interaction can take place between individuals and, on a one to one basis, lead to negative and/or positive things happening. Or, like the example you gave, charismatic personalities or leadership types, including entertainers, spiritual leaders, evangelists, political leaders, whoever, can "work" the audience and make positive and/or negative things happen. THE "FORCE" IS NEUTRAL For some time, now, I have been convinced--and I am always open to be persuaded otherwise--that this powerful mental/spiritual force, which I call the pneuma component and factor, is like the light and energy which comes to us from the sun. Of itself, it is neutral. It can be used to do evil or good. If I exposed myself to the blazing light and heat of the sun for too long, without mercy, it will physically kill me. If I look at it, without proper protection, it will blind me. In my opinion, if there is a powerful mental/spiritual force waiting to be understood and used, the worse thing we can do is nothing. Sure the taking of any kind of action involves risk, and the making of mistakes that could cause us some pain. However, if we allow ourselves to be motivated by fear of the unknown and other destructive emotions-powerful pneumatological tools often used by clever obscurants--and not to try to understand and to work with this "pneumatological force", evil is bound to happen.’ |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 20, 2004, 10:11 AM
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I added your new sentence.
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| lgking |
Sep 20, 2004, 10:51 AM
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I hope you don't mind, here is my edit: I am in a neuroscience forum on the web where a minister, the Rev. Lindsay G. King, also posts to several Mind-brain topics. He was ordained in 1953, as a minister of the United Church of Canada, which respects freedom of thought. He served churches from Newfoundland to Toronto--where he retired in 1994--and had a successful ministry of just over 40 years. Now, he likes to think of himself as re-directed, not just retired. Not your typical theist--though he respects all sincerely held beliefs which contribute morally and ethically to the public good--the Rev. King advocates a fairly unique theological approach which he calls 'unitheism' similar to the panentheism of Professor Marcus Borg and others. He supports the scientific study of all things to do with religion, including any claims made by it.[If you wish, you may refer people to my site http://www.flfcanada.com for details.] We are discussing all manner of things related to the soulful sciences and I wish to have my readers see this wise older man has a lot to offer at this juncture. Here is Lindsay King’s response to me (as Robert the Bruce or RTB) in a thread dealing with healing and hypnotic effective or positive thinking potentials. There is also a man from India that NASA is convinced can gain energy from the sun to the point that he has not needed to eat for many years. They are trying to learn this and if they do they will teach it to those who are about to travel the cosmic light fantastic. L.G King writes: "‘BTW, RTB, to my great relief, way back when, I came to understand that--and I am not sure where I first got the idea, maybe from the writings of Milton Erickson--hypnosis is not something that a "master" does to a "subject". It is, rather, what happens between people when they interact with one another. "For good or ill, this powerful interaction can take place between individuals and, on a one to one basis, lead to negative and/or positive things happening. Or, like the example you gave, charismatic personalities or leadership types, including entertainers, spiritual leaders, evangelists, political leaders, whoever, can "work" the audience and make positive and/or negative things happen. IN MY OPINION, THE "FORCE" IS NEUTRAL ""For some time, now, I have been convinced--and I am always open to be persuaded otherwise--that this powerful mental/spiritual force, which I call the pneuma component and factor, is like the light and energy which comes to us from the sun. Of itself, it is neutral. It can be used to do evil or good. If I exposed myself to the blazing light and heat of the sun for too long, without mercy, it will physically kill me. If I look at it, without proper protection, it will blind me. In my opinion, if there is a powerful mental/spiritual force waiting to be understood and used, the worse thing we can do is, nothing. Sure the taking of any kind of action involves risk, and the making of mistakes that could cause us some pain. However, if we allow ourselves to be motivated by fear of the unknown and other destructive emotions-powerful pneumatological tools often used by clever obscurants--and not to try to understand and to work with this "pneumatological force", evil is bound to happen.’" |
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Sep 20, 2004, 11:02 AM
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I put this in the Bibliogrpahy and notes.
The Rev. Lindsay G. King, also posts to several Mind-Brain.com topics. He was ordained in 1953, as a minister of the United Church of Canada, which respects freedom of thought. He served the church and had a successful ministry, until 1994--just over 40 years. Now, he likes to think of himself as re-directed, not retired. Not your typical theist--though he respects all sincerely held beliefs which contribute morally and ethically to the public good--the Rev. King advocates a fairly unique theological approach which he calls 'unitheism' similar to the Panentheism of Professor Marcus Borg and others. He supports the scientific study of all things to do with religion, including any claims made by it. [If you wish, you may refer people to my site http://www.flfcanada.com for details.] I also changed how I spelt your first name - sorry about that - I have done it before. |
| lgking |
Sep 20, 2004, 12:37 PM
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Looks very good to me! Just one small change.
Instead of: "He served the church and had a successful ministry, until 1994--just over 40 years." How about: "He served the church, and had a successful ministry, for over 40 years. He retired in i994. |
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Sep 20, 2004, 12:48 PM
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I posted it at another site where someone wanted more info and to participate, so I gave her your site.
Of course I told her we are all already 'participants' in manifesting reality through the 'pneuma'. |
| lgking |
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more about hypnosis: after a bit of a break, i wish to bring this topic back to the fore and give a bit of a story of how i got involved, in a practical way, in this facinating subject.
i have been interested in and a student of hypnosis ever since i first heard of it by reading about it on the back covers of comic books. my interest increased when i began studies in, beginning in 1948. it was in fall of 1963, near the time that president john kennedy was assisinated, and, with the help of allen spraggett, then a young and exciting journalist and religion writer, that i gained new knowledge of the practical and spiritual value of hypnosis. it was then that it became clear to me that it was not just so much hocus pocus. allen was then the editor of the religion page of the toronto star. he told me later that he had come to see me because he had heard me on a radio program--clergy then did a morning devotional program on the cbc--talk about my interest in parapsychology, spiritual healing, esp and the like. during that first visit, allen asked me if i had heard of the work of the rev. canon joseph wittkofski, an episcopalian minister, who had a parish at charleroi, just outside pittsburgh. in cooperation with a psychologist, he was also a director of the braid clinic for hypnotherapy. i later discovered that it was named after dr. james braid, the scottish physician a surgeon, who practiced in manchester, england and was the first to use the word 'hypnosis'. before that, it was called mesmerism, after a doctor franz antoine mesmer. mesmer called it animal magnetism. allen told me that father joe, as he was fondly called, had written many articles articles and two books on hypnosis in the ministry. he had also appeared on numerous talk shows. "the star wants me to do an article on father joe and on his recent book, the pastoral use of hypnotic technique. it would a great help to me if you would invite him to speak and give a lecture at your church. the star will bring if here to toronto, at its expense." immediately, i said: "yes!" and i proceeded to get the consent of my board. he arrived on a friday, stayed for the week-end and preached the sunday sermon on the role of religion and healing. [more to come.] |
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At that time Tom Harpur was the minister of the church my brothers and I ran a boys club in. He is now the Religion page person at the Star. He has almost converted to paganism or panentheism since I sent him a letter explaining the Resurrection which was his last dogmatic belief.
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Of course the 'occult' is the origin of healing arts and the caduceus that Paracelsus gave the AMA and other medical associations long ago. In other places we have shown the contributions of alchemists like Paracelsus and Hippocrates to the profession and how it is an aberration as practiced today (according to Zoltan Rona, M.D. who writes an excellent Encyclopedia on medicine.). Here is a real book of witchcraft for you to judge what may actually cause political and other organizations to fear what actually WORKS!
"Contemporary Witches view healing as one of their most important functions. They use a wide range of healing techniques, including magic; herbal and folk remedies; body work and energy work; Native American Indian and shamanic techniques; and Western approaches to medicine and psychology. Some Witches are professional healers {such as we just saw the Filipino psychic healer quoted by Dr. Pennington. She may not call herself a witch but she is a shaman or of that schools of training}, trained in Eastern and/or Western medicine and psychology. Witches prefer holistic and natural healing methods that involve healing power of sound, breath, color, touch and movement. Prior to the scientific age, healing commonly was the province of the village wise woman, cunning man, witch or wizard. Such individuals were often born with the mysterious gift of healing by touch, and many were steeped in herbal lore that had been passed down through generations of their families. Still others said they received their healing ability from fairies. Folk healers diagnosed both human and animal ailments. Some were renowned for determining whether or not haunting fairies of ghosts were responsible for illness, {The 'sins and demons' dogma of the church created many psychosomatic and self-actualized illness. The 'healer' only had to show the person the error of this negative attitude in many situations.} and then driving them away. One common Renaissance remedy for fairy-caused illness was the recitation of Christian prayers followed by a measurement of the patients girdle to see if the fairy had departed the body. Other healers diagnosed the patient's urine. Healers dispensed herbal remedies in the form of powders, potion and unguents. They prescribed charms, little prayers comprised of both pagan and Christian elements. They also cast spells. Some folk-magic remedies required procedures on the part of patients, such as boiling an egg and burying it in an anthill; the disease or condition would disappear when ants had consumed the egg. Healers also made use of gems and semiprecious stones, which have a long history as medicinal objects. The greatest natural healing knowledge comes from herbalism {Homeopathy and shamans' work.}, the earliest of all healing systems and one used throughout the world. In Western culture, herbalism had been developed to a high art by the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks and Romans {Recent archaeology brings us proof the Neanderthals had drugs in the 90,000 year ago period. In eleventh century Scotland a probable Druidic type knowledge shows archaeologic evidence of antiseptics and anaesthetics.}. Herbal sorcery was renowned in ancient Greece. The greatest collection of ancient plant lore was compiled by Pliny in 'Natural History', a 37- volume work that contains a wealth of information about the medicinal uses of plants, flowers, trees and herbs. For centuries, others built upon Pliny's work, most notably Hildegard of Bingen, a medieval German mystic and abbess, and Nicholas Culpepper, a 17th-century English physician and astrologer who linked herbs to astrological signs {It is re-published and in my local library.}. Plants acquired numerous pagan religious associations, which the Christian Church replaced with Christian associations. 'Hypericum perforatum', for example, blooms during the summer solstice and was an ancient totem of sun worship. The Romans burned it in bonfires in observance of the solstice, which occurs around June 21. The Christian Church associated it with the birth of John the Baptist on June 24, and the plant became known as St. John's wort. Cunning folk, witches and healers often observed both pagan and Christian associations in their charms and recipes. The church attempted to discredit village healers, for their cures competed with the church, which claimed a monopoly on miracles. {This necessitated or at least made allowing lots of people to die a good thing; they preached against cleaning wounds and often justified the death of old and poor people as part of a population control that deserves special attention when it comes to the 'Black Death' which we have noted they knew all about from William of Rubruck.} Healing by sorcery was considered fraudulent--and there were many such cases of fraud--and was a civil crime under Roman law {For the plebs.}. The laws were not strictly enforced, however… for the populace was reluctant to give up local healers. During the witch-hunts, healing by sorcery was considered 'white' witchcraft until demonologists began denouncing it as an evil. Increase Mather stated that healing power in a witch was a diabolical gift, not a divine gift from God. {The Cathars later provided free medical attention and educative approaches.} Many contemporary Witches become skilled in the use of herbs to maintain health as well as to cure illness. Some grow and harvest their own herbs, which they use to make salves, syrups, teas, poultices and powders. Herbs are also used in magical healing. For example, a cloth doll called a poppet is made to represent the patient and is stuffed with the appropriate herbal remedy. The poppet is used in the casting of a sympathetic {Energy working on meridians of a simple structure in appropriate was transfer their harmonic potential to the complex system that has been identified through inclusion of hair or other genetic passwords.} magic spell for healing. The ability to heal by a laying on of hands, like healing with herbs, has ancient origins. Prehistoric cave paintings in the Pyrenees indicate that it may have been used as early as 15,000 years ago. Healing by touch has a written history dating back about 5,000 years, it was used in ancient India, China {Where it is common knowledge the secrets weren't written down until lots of people knew them.}, Tibet, Egypt and Chaldea and appears in both the Old and New Testaments. Gifted individuals are born with the ability for this kind of healing, though it can be learned. The Christian Church encouraged such miraculous healing within the confines of religion. Outside the church, it was regarded as fraudulent sorcery and witchcraft. The one notable exception, tolerated by the church, was the king's touch, which began in England in the Middle Ages and was popular in England and France until nearly the end of the 17th century...†(3) Every person who has life can share it and the energy regardless of special gifts, among people they really care for - it is common sense if you know the soul exists and ESP is real. Now that we are able to get past the 'confines of religion' hopefully we can replace the technocrats and doctors who took over the machinery of fear the church generated and get back to 'whatever really WORKS!' I know I say this all too frequently but it doesn't come close to how often the opposing position states its agenda of negativity. It amazes me to see McGill using MRI equipment to prove the same area of the brain that affects motivation and overcomes depression is very receptive to music. It is hard to imagine the ecstatic dancers of all native cultures didn't know this long before language and its divisive segmentation exerted a manageable force on society. "The Power of the Gregorian Chant Hear, O my son, the words of the Lord, and incline thy heart's ear. – The Rule of Saint Benedict, OPENING WORDS One of the most amazing stories of healing in the annals of sound and music is the case of the melancholy monks. In the late 1960s, Dr. Alfred Tomatis was summoned to investigate a strange malaise that had descended upon a Benedictine monastery in the South of France. It was shortly after Vatican II that the brothers had become listless, fatigued and mildly depressed. Although the monks were anxious about a series of theological reforms, dietary changes, and new routines, their physical symptoms had no clear cause. As such, their condition had stumped several leading European specialists, and nothing seemed able to restore the devout brothers and their abbey to the joyful, active daily round they had once enjoyed. After arriving on the scene and finding seventy of the ninety monks ‘slumped in their cells like wet dishrags', Tomatis offered his diagnosis. The cause of this despondency, he declared, was not physiological, but audiological. The monks' enervated state was the result of eliminating several hours of Gregorian chant from their daily routine. Previously, the whole community would come together {The socialization or shared energy being important.} eight or nine times a day to chant for ten to twenty minutes at a stretch. The long, resonant tones--the glorious ooooo's and serene eeeee's in 'Gloria in Excelsis Deo' especially-- allowed a feeling of release and supplied a common focus. Most visitors would have found the chanting exhausting, but for the monks it was a way of keeping their internal motors primed. It slowed down their breathing {A very important part of all 'occult' practices.}, lowered their blood pressure, and elevated their mood--and their productivity. They weren't conscious of the physiological benefits of their chanting, but they had clearly become accustomed to it. {A woman in Spain who had been afflicted with an abscessed tooth for over twenty years went crazy after it was removed.} Tomatis told the abbot that he would like to put the men back on a diet of Gregorian chant. He did, and the effect was dramatic. Within six months, the monks were once again vigorous and healthy. They needed less sleep, and they went back to their appointed tasks with renewed enthusiasm.†(4) Much of this author's attributions about the splendour of the paraphernalia of the church and its images remind me about the effect of symbols and their hypnotic effect. Chanting certainly has been a major part of life in many cultures for longer than sea travel (800,000 years at least) or fire (In my mind this was used over 3,000,000 years ago after lightning fires and natural gas or pitch fires were found burning.). As we noted in the origin of language (Ogham) Huna and the Hawaiian language is a mind altering experience. It is good to hear that the Gregorian chant is making Europeans return to a portion of the pre-Dark Age awareness that all people shared. Dance and rhythm or rhyme is a joy that love is nourished through. The language of the soul is enmeshed in the harmony created by love in all of its varied expressions. |
| lgking |
Sep 27, 2004, 05:41 PM
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Personal notes:
1. I first met Tom Harpur when he was a young minister at St. Margaret's in the Pines Anglican church, Scarborough. I was, then, in Iondale United Church, Scarborough, just east of the Golden Mile. Later, when he became religion editor of the Toronto Star, Tom, who succeeded Allen Spraggett, as editor, did a major article on my work in pneumatology while I was the minister at Willowdale UC. That was in 1973. By the way, some time ago, Allen Spraggett was diagnosed with a deadly form of cancer by doctors at Sunny Brook hospital, north Toronto. It is part of the University of Toronto. When he called me, he told me that he was given just a few weeks to live. He was so sick that he did not even want me to come and visit him. Using what I now call PNEUMATHERAPY, I made a tape for him, using a colour technique. All was done by use of the phone. Allen now lives in Aurora, just north of where I live This was done, just before my wife and I took off for the maritimes for our usual summer holiday. When I returned, I expected to hear of his death. To our amazement, when I returned, he was very much alive and well on the road to recovery. He is still in the land of the living. By they way, I have numerous tapes, which he and I made over quiite a long period of time covering a wide range of subjects. 2. I met Dr. Zoltan Rona--an MD and a graduate of McGill University--in the 1980's, I think. He came and visited me when I was the minister at Willodale United Church, north Toronto., and spoke at one of meetings of the Family Life Foundation focussed around holistic holistic health. I have an autographed copy of his book, THE JOY OF HEALTH. He told us: "I learned of the kind of holistic medicine that I am now doing, which ties in with what you are doing, with meditation and nutrition, long after I graduated from medical school." |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 27, 2004, 07:10 PM
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Yes, St. Margarets is where we ran the Boy's Brigade and Life Boys for him. Willowdale is where my older brother lives and King Township (Aurora) is named after our relatives named King just like you. They had owned all of Scarborough before they went to King Township many moons ago. Jim King was a road boss for the Trans Canadian Railway construction and lived to over a hundred and used to tell my father lots of stories that I heard a lot of as I grew up. He was a deadly pistol or gun slinger and the like. Color restores Schizophrenics to a semblance of normalcy along with trapezoid rooms for a while and the use of color by practitioners of shamanic arts is very ancient - that sounds like a great story of healing.
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| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 27, 2004, 07:13 PM
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Mr. Rona avoids talking truthfully about alchemy but his part on Paracelsus comes close to telling some truth - I think he knows more than (he) being politically correct or his publishers allowed him to put in the book I refer to. I have seen him on TV.
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| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 28, 2004, 05:51 AM
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Dear Lindsay
Did you know the Hill family in Willowdale. Di was like a second mother for me. |
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Sep 28, 2004, 09:21 PM
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Robert, there was a Hill family at Willowdale UC, but I do not remember a Di.
Now back to hypnosis: Sometimes the best way to make a complex idea easier to understand is to say what it isn't. For example, although 'hypnos' is the Greek for sleep, hypnosis is a misnomer. 1. Hypnosis is not, necessarily, sleep. In his book, Head First--the Biology of Hope, Norman Cousins points out that it was Dr. James Braid, a Scottish physician, who, wanting to give mesmerism--Mesmer called it "animal Magnetism"--a more scientifically acceptable name, first introduced the word 'hypnosis' into the English language, in 1843. When Braid first observed demonstrations of this phenomenon, in Manchester, England, where he practiced, it appeared to him that the subject--and later, we will see why this, too, is not a good word to use when discussing hypnosis and the like--did go to sleep. Later, when he realized that, unless sleep was suggested, the subject was actually in a deep and focussed state of mind. Observing this, he tried to call it 'monoideism'--the ability to keep ones mind focussed on one idea. Like most new ideas, Braid's work--despite the fact that he was able to use it to perform major surgery--was not immediately accepted by his fellow doctors. For many professionals, especially the clergy, it smacked of the occult, the uncanny, the work of the Devil and his angels. 2. Hypnosis is not the result of some kind of magic; it is not of the supernatural, of the mystical, or the product of people in touch with the supernatural, or some kind of mystical or religious power. 3. Hypnosis is not being trapped in some kind of trance or losing ones consciousness, or control over oneself. I realize that many people associate it with flamboyant master-like magicians, evil-eyed and waving watches and/or pendlums in front of helpless subjects. Years ago, I remember see the movie, Trilby, based on a book of the same name. The great John Barrymore played the role of the master who controlled Trilby, even from a distance. THE KEY IS EDUCATION By the way, I am not saying that people cannot be manipulated. If they allow themselves to remain ignorant of how the brain and the mind work, and remain unaware of what is really going on, they can. This is why it is so important for us not to think of ourselves as subjects who need masters to tell us what, when and how to think. The trance state, induced by hypnosis is simply that, a state. And it can be used for good or evil purposes. In his novel, Island, written in 1962, Aldous Huxley points out that over 80 per cent of any population have the natural ability to go into the trance state--I say the rest can, if willing, be taught to do so--and that 20 per cent are profound somnambulists--that is, they have the natural ability to go into deep trance. It is this 20 percent who are targeted by sophisticated demagogues and used to accomplish their nefarious purposes. On the other hand, used properly, this ability can be used and be of great help to the educational process. Interestingly, following World War II, the late Dr. Milton Erickson--he was a brilliant psychiatrist and pioneer of the practical value of hypnosis--was assigned to go over some of the papers of the Nazis. They made extensive use of the evil kind of hypnosis. [More on this. Posters, feel free to add points you feel ought not to be overlooked] |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 28, 2004, 10:03 PM
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The parents were Ted and Di Hill. It would be hard to imagine you would not remember her - she was 'gorg beyon' in the soul and even late in life was offerred roles in Hollywood when people would just meet her on the plane - which is where she died. The kids are Swaena, Ted and Peggy - I will ask if they knew you.
Hypnosis - you say it is not mystical - then what is mystical? Actually I agree - there is no such thing as supernatural and these words are foisted upon what we do not understand by the ignorant if that is what you are saying. However, there are grave dangers with it and regression when improperly used and that includes therapists who have a preset notion of what is real. |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 28, 2004, 10:14 PM
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Dear Lindsay
Did you edit and add something? Yes, I suppose you are aware of suggestopaedia and Dr Milan Ryzl's use of hypnosis (music and bady position) to educate and broadcast to the whole mind or brain. |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 28, 2004, 10:17 PM
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bady is body
The CIA and all those types brought all those Nazis like Strughold (Dr Green) over and they have perfected the usages of hypnosis beyond the believable - Beth Goobie is from Toronto and her experiences would make you sick. It started with disassociation into multiple personalities while still in the womb. |
| lgking |
Sep 28, 2004, 10:18 PM
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Robert, our posts just passed each other in cyberspace.
Cousins mentions, as do I, above, that hypnosis can be dangerous. He mentions a Dr. Jolly West, with whom he worked at UCLA. West published a book on the history of hypnotism--I have several on the theme. In his book he calls attention to the horrors "that have sometimes been produced for political and ideological purposes. I have already mentioned the Nazi. And what about communism and brainwashing--chemical as well as mental. BTW, it is my opinion that it is never good to remain ignorant of any great power that can be used to build or destroy, including hypnosis. If good people fail to educate themselves and use it for good, evil ones surely will, and use it for evil. |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 28, 2004, 10:27 PM
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Dear Lindsay
Have you read David Guyatt's research on the various abuses of these knowledge systems? Here is part of one of my books on Hitler (A Trance Channeler par excellent) and these things. Hitler received a legacy from his Rothschild relations in Vienna where he and his father before him had studied. The De Medicis agent named St. Germain had established a solid schooling system for the occult in Vienna. I have dealt with these things in many books and soon will have to compile them into one book on Hitler and the Occult. Churchill spent much of his last days on earth with Ari Onassis who is part of the Merovingian ‘octopus’ in a big way as are the Randolphs. There is so much about Hitler and his occult handlers which one must understand in order to see why the Germans tried at Nuremberg were not allowed to talk about occult programming and esoteric mind control. Here is something important that includes the Cistercians and some of Hitler’s handlers. I do indeed include the Dulles Skull & Bones family with the Bushes who were named in the funding of Hitler and trading with the enemy issues surrounding Prescott Bush. There is a great deal in the following quote from a Holocaust site which we must deal with in this book. “1893 February 24 Guido von List lectures on the ancient cult of Wotan and its priesthood to the nationalist Verein, "Deusche Geschichte." List claims that this extinct religion was the national religion of the Teutons before it was destroyed by Christianity. In time, this ancient priesthood will form the basis of his entire political mythology. 1893 April 7 Allen Welsh Dulles is born in Watertown, New York. 1893 July 31 Adolf Josef Lanz, age 19, becomes a novice at the Cistercian monastery in Heiligenkreuz on the present Austrian-Hungarian border. Lanz was born in Vienna on July 19, 1874, but later claimed to have been born at Messina, Sicily, on May 1, 1872. To mislead astrologers, he said. 1895 January 24 Sir Randolph Churchill (1849-95), father of Winston Churchill, dies. At the time of his death, his estate owes Nathaniel "Natty" Rothschild and Rothschild's Bank more than 66,000 pounds, a huge sum at that time. Had this been generally known, it would have caused a major scandal since he had always shown great favor to the Rothschild family and its various business interests. (The Churchills) 1895 The Sphinx, one of the most powerful advocates of the Germanic occult revival, ceases publication. It had been published since 1886 by Wilhelm Hubbe-Schleiden, founder of the first German Theosophical Society at Elberfeld in July 1884.†(1) Conor Cruise O’Brien gave a speech to a group of international performing artists which I hope the readers of this book will be encouraged to find. In it he notes the influence of the Wagnerian cult that is pre-Christian and yet might be true Christianity as Hitler would have argued. We will have to maintain an open-mind if we are going to understand rather than trivialize the forces at work that still run this world. I hope we can improve on it because I fear the lack of ethics in an age of rampant technological power capable of ending all life on earth is soon (if not already) upon us. Here is a little of that speech. “In the case of Hitler, the phrase 'the cult of Wagner' is not a mere figure of speech. This was a cult in which he believed as fanatically as any devotee has ever believed in supernatural revelation. The depth of his commitment to the cult is apparent from what he did early in 1923 on the eve of the most important decision of his life to date: that of whether or not to head a rebellion against Versailles, in Munich. In preparation for that decision the daemonic devotee repaired to the great shrine of his faith, at Bayreuth, in northern Bavaria. There he consulted the oracles, custodians of the shrine, Winifred Wagner and Houston Stewart Chamberlain. Winifred was the composer's daughter-in-law; Chamberlain the great English apologist for imperial Germany. Both were passionate nationalists; Chamberlain had been one of the first proponents in the service of the generals of the myth of the Dolchstoss, in the closing months of the First World War. Both warmly encouraged the project Hitler was considering. Hitler returned from Bayreuth with his mind made up. The Bierkeller Putsch of 1923 has been trivialised in retrospect, like so much in Hitler's career. It has been depicted as a ludicrous failure. This is to misunderstand its nature which falls within the performing arts, in their larger sense, and is also near to those arts in their narrower sense. It was never intended as a serious revolt in the literal and military sense. It was a symbolic revolt, resembling to that extent, and in that respect, the Easter Rising seven years before in Dublin, Ireland and indeed it also resembled that earlier and distinct revolt in being closely linked to the performing arts. The Wagner of Dublin's Easter Rising was W. B. Yeats (A near alchemist of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn who became its head man after Crowley was booted for his purposeful conflicts.}. His virulently nationalist play, Cathleen Ni Houlihan, performed in 1902 by Maud Gonne, had been an inspiration for the generation of the rebels of 1916. This was a thought that troubled Yeats on his deathbed when he wrote: Did that play of mine send out / Certain men the English shot?†(2) 1) http://www.humanitas-international.org/hol...st/1889-99t.htm 2) http://www.ispa.org/ideas/obrien.html |
| Robert the Bruce |
Sep 28, 2004, 10:44 PM
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Sep 29, 2004, 08:14 AM
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Dear Lindsay
It appears their minister was Wesley Morris. Also one of our employees was David King whose father Howard was a minister you probably knew. |
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Yes, I knew Wesley. He was a loveable character, and a good curler. I curled with him and other ministers, years ago, at the Tam O Shanter rink, in Scarborough. BTW, we preached the Gospel of love on Sundays; but on Mondays we got together and threw rocks at one another (Just a joke, folks, for those who know about curling and rock throwing. It is a fun game).
Unfortunately, Wesley was a heavy smoker. Smoking, I think took his life, too early. It also killed the Rev. Andrew Lawson, also a curler. He died shortly after he retired as the senior minister--an excellent and widely respected preacher--of Timothy Eaton Memorial United Church, Toronto, then the largest UC in Canada. http://www.islandhosting.com/~temc/index.html For the information of our American cousins, the Timothy Eaton Company--founded by a pious anti-smoking Irish Methodist and entrepreneur-- was, to Canada, what Sears, Pennys, and the like, was, and perhaps still is, to the USA. Or is Walmart now THE store? BTW, old Eaton's catalogues hung in every outhouse in rural areas, including Newfoundland, where I grew up in the 30's and 40's. HYPNOTISM--OR SHOULD IT BE PNEUMATISM?--AND OUR ADDICTIONS And this brings us to a very important subject: our addictions--physical, mental and spiritual addictions--the cause of so much pain, human suffering, and so many unnatural deaths. BTW, I would like to keep my posts, on this subject, reader-friendly--that is, relatively short and well-paragraphed. Because I want to get away from the hocus pocus and negative occultism often associated with hypnotism, from this point on, I am going to use the word 'pneumatism'--instead of 'hypnotism'--as the noun to describe things having to do with the self-conscious mind and the human spirit, including the so-called subconscious mind. Instead of 'hypnotize' I will use 'pneumatize', and instead of 'hypnotherapy, I will use 'pneumatherarpy'. The Greek word 'pneuma'--literally meaning air, wind or breath--is used, frequently, in the New Testament. The Hebrew word is 'ruach', the Arabic is 'ruh' and the Latin is 'spirito'. From the Latin we get our English word 'spirit'. In the Gospel of John, chapter 4, Jesus tell the Samaritan woman that God is spirit (pneuma), without 'a'--the indefinite article. He uses the same word when, in John 3, he tells Nicodemus of the need to be born of the water (metaphor for unconsciousness) and the spirit (metaphor for consciousness). I derive all the terms above from the word 'pneumatology'--the science or study of the spirit--which I first started using in the mid-1960's. It then gained the approval of my mentor, the Rev. Canon Joseph Wittkofski, who paid me the honour of making me a director of The Braid Institute, Charleroi, Pa. As I have already indicated, pneumatology, the child of theology and philosophy was the mother of psychology. I suspect that the "animal magnetism" of Dr. Mesmer and the like we also children who were born out of wedlock. I have always admired the early pioneers of the art of hypnosis, etc., whatever it was called, before 1843. But now it is time to move on and build on a solid foundation, including faith and reason operating within a moral and ethical context. [more...] |
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Did Andrew have a son who became a chiropractor?
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